From kragen@dnaco.net Sun Sep 6 17:28:19 1998 Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 17:28:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Kragen To: systalk@ml.org Subject: Re: [ST] Is it just me ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Keywords: X-UID: 1699 Status: O X-Status: On Sun, 6 Sep 1998, George Bonser wrote: > RMS has an OK concept, it just goes a bit overboard in his zeal to promote > it and shoots from the lip a bit too often. Says George Bonser. :) > My personal opinion was that it was his waste of time on things that are > not needed that allowed GNU to languish behind Linux. I've sometimes thought the same thing. M-x doctor. > Now that Linux has > hit the mainstream a version of HURD is FINALLY available. After what, 10 > years we get the first release? The first alpha releases started happening in 1995, about 11 years after the project was announced. Has there been a "useful" release yet? > Lesstif is still a dud, Somewhat true. I'm not sure what that has to do with RMS or GNU. Most Motif-using free software can build with Lesstif these days, though. > Wine is still languishing Not really true -- but, again, what does that have to do with RMS or GNU? > and will not even run some of the most basic win3 programs, Still true. Which ones are you thinking of? > if it was not for Linux, nobody would even know what a GNU was. Well, essentially every Unix system I ever used had some GNU tools installed on it, simply because they were so much better than the standard versions. Of course, I started using Unix in 1992, pretty late in the game -- you probably have more historical perspective than I do -- but Linux wasn't yet a viable OS for most people for another year after that. > RMS hasn't done nearly as much for GNU as Linus Torvalds has. If it weren't for GNU, Linux would probably still be under the "free for non-commercial copying" license Linus originally put it under. Kragen (who uses vim a lot) -- Kragen Sitaker I don't do .INI, .BAT, .DLL or .SYS files. I don't assign apps to files. I don't configure peripherals or networks before using them. I have a computer to do all that. I have a Macintosh, not a hobby. -- Fritz Anderson