From kragen@dnaco.net Thu Jul 16 08:51:41 1998
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:51:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kragen <kragen@dnaco.net>
To: Michael LaMorte <m.lamorte@lok2.com>
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Subject: RE: lose98
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On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Michael LaMorte wrote:
> On 7/15/98 12:50 PM, Kragen said:
> >If it's Win95, WinNT doesn't crash much, which blows Win95 away.  And
> >it's possible to implement security policies on it.
> 
> I think you mean "as much". Our NT server at work (which I vehemently 
> opposed in favor of a Linux server) BSOD's about once or twice a week. 
> And when you start it back up, all the modification dates on all the 
> files and folders have been reset to the same date and time. And let's 
> not talk about problems with print spooling, network-to-network copies, 
> broken aliases (shortcuts to you Windows folk), and other oddities that 
> make life a pain. If memory serves correctly, our Novell 3.14 server 
> might have crashed once every three months, and provided more dependable 
> service than NT does.

That's about the same as my experience with NT.

> >If it's Linux, WinNT has a pretty GUI.  I don't think that blows Linux
> >away, though.  WinNT also runs Win16 and Win32 applications *much*
> >better than Linux does, which blows Linux away for many purposes.
> 
> You can give Linux any UI you want. I particularly like the AfterStep UI, 
> which is modeled on the NeXTStep/OpenStep UI. 

I use Afterstep myself.  But it's not a GUI; it's just a window
manager.  Afterstep+NeXTaw approaches a NeXTStep GUI, but there are
lots of apps that don't use Xaw (just because the default look is
butt-ugly).

> As for the apps... Linux has their own apps,

Yes.  So does the Mac.

> and I've seen WinXX apps running on Linux just as nicely as on 95/NT. 

Your options for running Win16 or Win32 apps on Linux are:
- Win 3.x in dosemu in real mode (not protected mode).  Disadvantages:
	- requires Win 3.x license
	- not too fast
	- in a window
- WINE.  Disadvantages:
	- even more buggy than Win 3.x itself (for Win16)
	- very incomplete for Win32, and still quite buggy.
- TWIN.  See WINE.  Except Win32 support is *zero*.
- WABI.  Disadvantages:
	- No Win32 support
	- includes Win 3.x license (essentially)
	- slow
	- expensive
- (something miraculous I don't know about?)

If I wanted to run Win16 applications, Linux would definitely not be my
first choice.  If I wanted to run Win32 applications, Linux would
probably be out of the question.  WinNT does nicely with these.

In contrast, if I wanted to set up a LAN server for MS OS users, Linux
or FreeBSD would be my first choice.  WinNT would be a distant second,
because it's slower and far less reliable.

> >If it's the Mac, it's the Win16/Win32 support.
> 
> Well, Macs can read, write, and format Windows media. They can translate 
> Windows files into their Mac counterparts. Also, there are Mac versions 
> of the most popular Windows apps, which can open and save in the Windows 
> counterpart version. And they can run Windows 95 or NT thanks to 
> VirtualPC, SoftWindows, or a hardware card. 

Sounds like a reasonable solution.

Kragen


