From kragen@dnaco.net Fri Aug 28 10:17:18 1998
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:17:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kragen <kragen@dnaco.net>
To: Richard Westcott <mr.rich@isoc.net>
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Subject: Re: Renaming of the group, CLUG -> CGLUG
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On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, Richard Westcott wrote:
> Bradley M. Kuhn wrote:
> > This statement makes no sense.  GNU/Linux (and the Linux kernel in
> > particular) is all free software.  What point is there to use GNU/Linux if
> > you are not interested in using free software?  Indeed, if free software is
> > not the goal, then why don't we simply rename ourselves to the Cincinnati
> > Un*x-like OS User's Group?
> 
> To me, linux's stability, configurability and growing support rank right
> up there with its freeness. For me, if Linux was a commercial OS as
> robust as it is as a free OS at a reasonable cost, I would still be a
> Linux user.[0]

I should point out that Symbolics Genera and IBM OS/360 are both
considerably more stable than Linux, Genera and PolyForth are far more
configurable, and OS/360 and Microsoft Windows are much better
supported.

The reason I mention this is not that I think these are not valid
reasons to choose Linux, but that it is possible to match them in a
non-free OS -- so they are actually separate and distinct from its
freeness.  The argument that liking Linux's {configurability,
stability, support} amounts to liking its freeness is invalid.

I know quite a bit about Perl (although I am by no means an expert).
The way I got to know so much about Perl was that I had parents with
enough money to support me while I was in college.  If I were to get
hired for a job programming Perl, it would likely be because of my
knowledge.  It would be incorrect to say I got hired because my parents
weren't poor -- after all, other people might have learned about Perl
in other ways, such as by playing with it on their Linux box after they
came home from work.

> > There is no reason to make a *SIG* for free software---CGLUG is about free
> > software directly just by what the group is.
> 
> I disagree. CLUG is about Linux which happens to be free software. I'm
> sure users of FreeBSD, Solaris, etc. would be perfectly welcome at CLUG
> gatherings.[1]

Agreed, on both counts.

Kragen

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